Gatwick to London by Train - East Croydon trick

24/2/22  Updated with carriage details

In a previous post about the pricing quirks of travelling from Gatwick to Zone 1 or Zone 2, I mentioned that you could also reduce the price by exiting at East Croydon and reentering straight away.

Since I used it recently, I thought it was worth going through in more detail.

The standard price between Gatwick and Zone 2 in London is £12.90 peak and £8.70 off peak

But if you break your journey at East Croydon, the price between Gatwick and East Croydon is £5.50 peak or £3.40 off peak

And the price between East Croydon and Zone 2 is £4 peak or £3 off peak (as long as you don't travel through Zone 1)

So that's a total of £9.50 peak or £6.40 off peak with the East Croydon break - compared with £12.90 peak and £8.70 off peak if you don't break your journey.

You may say that it's just not worth the hassle to save £3.40 peak of £2.30 off peak ... but actually it may not be much hassle at all (if you're only travelling with hand luggage).

Trains from Gatwick to East Croydon mostly end in either Victoria or Blackfriars - so you may find that the first train from Gatwick goes to the wrong destination.  In which case, take it, do the barrier trick at East Croydon, and return to the same platform at East Croydon for the train that you actually want!  I did this recently and it worked a treat.

And if you're really lucky, at East Croydon you can get up the ramp from the platform to the ticket barrier, out and in, and back down the ramp to the same train that you just arrived on - although I've only managed this once on a busy train that was slow to depart.

The prices are the same either to or from Gatwick - although if you're rushing for a flight, you probably don't want to do this!

With Zone 1, the non change pricing is £18.30 peak or £11.10 off peak

And with the change in East Croydon it's £7.30 + £5.50 peak or £5.20 + £3.40 off peak

So the Zone 1 savings are £5.50 peak or £2.50 off peak

If you are jumping out at East Croydon, on the journey towards London, in a 12 carriage train you want the rear of the 11th carriage.  Then it's up the ramp on your right, turn right at the top, through the gateline and back again.

Enjoy the saving whilst this trick still works.

Updated: Gatwick Airport to London using contactless

8/1/19 - updated with 2019 prices

15/5/18 - updated to include split ticket pricing at East Croydon - thanks to Gerry's comment on DiamondGeezer.blogspot.com for the reminder.  Although not sure I personally would bother - even though the savings are actually more than the Zone1/Zone2 hack!


Before contactless payment was extended to Gatwick, it was a battle to find the cheapest fare using the Southern website or Trainline or even occasionally Gatwick Express !

Contactless makes life a bit easier - as the Contactless off peak fare is usually the best you can get.

The added benefit is that there is no evening peak when travelling from Gatwick Airport into London ... at least that's what I thought ... until I started looking at fares to West Brompton ... where it turns that that evening peak does apply.

So here's how the pricing officially works for LGW - West Brompton (although we know that you get a couple of minutes leeway before peak fares kick in):

00:00 - 06:29    £8.50
06:30 - 09:29  £12.30
09:30 - 15:59    £8.50
16:00 - 18:59  £12.30

19:00 - 23:59    £8.50

The thing is that Earls Court doesn't have an evening peak - so at West Brompton, if you swap onto the District Line and go a single stop to Earls Court you can reduce the price from £12.30 down to £10.90

In fact if you could travel to any Zone 1 tube station, the evening peak magically disappears ... but travel to any other London station (that I tested using TfL's single fare finder website) and the evening peak does exist.

So the moral of the story is that if you're on the border of Zone 1 and Zone 2 and travelling from Gatwick (Monday to Friday) - you should travel from the following:

00:00 - 06:29    £8.50  from Zone 2
06:30 - 09:29  £12.30  from Zone 2
09:30 - 15:59    £8.50  from Zone 2
16:00 - 18:59  £10.90  from Zone 1

19:00 - 23:59    £8.50  from Zone 2


But if you have the time to touch out and back in again at East Croydon station (for a split ticket saving) - whilst the evening peak does apply from Gatwick to East Croydon (£5.30 vs £3.20), it does not apply from East Croydon to Zone 1 (morning peak £7.00 vs £5.00).
This used to mean that it was cheaper to travel to Zone 1 in the evening peak - however it appears that the pricing has changed in order to make Zone 2 cheaper - which also reduces the benefit of splitting your journey at East Croydon.

00:00 - 06:29    £6.00  from Zone 2
06:30 - 09:29    £9.10  from Zone 2
09:30 - 15:59    £6.00  from Zone 2
16:00 - 18:59    £9.10  from Zone 2

19:00 - 23:59    £6.00  from Zone 2

Zone 1
off peak  £3.20 + £5.00 = £8.20
morning peak £5.30 + £7.00 = £12.30
evening peak £5.30 + £5.00 = £10.30

Zone 2
off peak £3.20 + £2.80 = £6.00
morning and evening peak £5.30 + £3.80 = £9.10


Travelling from London to Gatwick the evening peak does apply regardless where you start - so it's £3.20 cheaper to start from Zone 2 if you get into the station between 16:00 and 18:59 (or £2.20 cheaper from Zone 2 if you can get into the station during off peak hours).

EI avios redemptions available online

You can now search for availability and book Aer Lingus flights using Avios on the Avios.com website ... although you probably won't want to actually book them there !

I've written previously about the high "carrier surcharges" that BA impose on european EI flights - and booking through Avios.com - they are even slightly higher !

Here's a few examples:

LHR - DUB  76 gbp

DUB - LHR  41 gbp

return 117 gbp

For context - if you chose a BA flight and had flown or earned miles in the last year (so were eligible for their lower fees reward flight) a single ex LHR would be 17.5 gbp and a single ex DUB would be 10.3 gbp (book through BA no Avios.com who charge everything at 17.5 gbp)

LGW - NOC  57 gbp

NOC - LGW  36 gbp (plus airport 10 eur "development" fee)

ex NOC return 94 gbp

ex LGW return 92 gbp

when I phoned up BA in June 2015 the NOC - LGW fee was 27 gbp

when I phoned up BA in August 2015 the LGW - NOC fee was 54 gbp

The longhaul prices are a bit more reasonable - but you still shouldn't book them through Avios.com

In the 13,000 avios category (for an off-peak economy single)

DUB - Hartford  100gbp

DUB - Boston  100 gbp

DUB - Chicago  109 gbp

DUB - JFK  100 gbp

In the 16,250 avios category (for an off-peak economy single)

DUB - Orlando  109 gbp

DUB - LAX  117 gbp

For a return flight the taxes and fees come to around 180 gbp - but a commenter over on HeadForPoints rang up BA and for the same flights the taxes and fees are 90 gbp

So ring up BA before booking EI flights on Avios.com

short trip to Åre

I wrote a while ago about trying to arrange a trip to Sweden to ski ... without any direct flights, it wasn't easy to arrange, and so I never went !

Now that Easyjet have announced a weekly flight on a Sunday from LGW to OSD (which is about 80km from the ski area), it should make the trip more feasible.

The EZY flight departs LGW at 07:00, arriving OSD at 10:50 - and then departing at 11:10, arriving back into LGW at 12:55

The LGW-OSD price during March is between 42 gpb and 75 gbp for a single.

The OSD-LGW price during March is 27.50 gbp (26th), 33.50 gbp (19th) or 55 gbp (12th)

Getting to OSD on connecting flights from London takes a while - using SAS flights connecting in Stockholm, you could depart LHR at 10:35 and arrive OSD at 16:35 with a very safe 4 hour margin in ARN.  Prices in March are about 88 gbp single.

It would be possible to get a shared transfer for these flights for 295 SEK each way per person (approx 27 gbp each way).

The same company also does shared transfers from Trondheim - at 13:15 and 17:15 on a Thursday (and further times on a Sunday) - but sadly the only direct flight from London to TRD arrives into TRD at 23:35 on a Thursday.  The cost is 390 SEK per person each way.

However, there's a direct flight from TRD to LGW departing at 18:00 which would require getting the 13:30 bus from the ski resort (arriving at the airport around 16:00) - but it would be another option.

Another option would be to fly from London to Stockholm on Wednesday evening - so able to do a full day's work, and then travel up to Åre on Thursday morning.  This might work better, as it appears the standard "handover" days in Åre are Thursday and Sunday.  Flights are generally available for 52 gbp from LGW to ARN with Norwegian.

Flights from ARN to OSD are generally available for 54 gbp - with 5 flights a day from SAS and more from BRA (which are slightly more expensive).

Another option is the overnight train from Stockholm - a seat would cost 595 SEK and a berth would cost 746 SEK (68 gbp).  The day time train takes about 7 hours and costs anything from 195 SEK, with a more typical price being 365 SEK (33 gbp).  Prices are only currently available on the Swedish Rail website until 19th March - presumably because it's too far in advance.

As far as accommodation - it looks like there are basic self catering apartment/studios available near the main town for 268 eur for Thu-Sun - which sleep 2 or 3 people.

in summary

Wed 22nd eve LGW-ARN  52 gbp

Wed 22nd overnight train to Åre with cabin 68 gbp

Thu 23rd train to ski area 10 gbp

3 nights accomm 120 gbp (two people sharing the cheap accommodation)

3 days ski pass 114 gbp

3 days ski / boot hire 85 gbp

Sun 26th transfer to OSD airport 27 gbp

Sun 26th OSD-LGW  17.50 gbp

Total 493.50 plus transfer to and from LGW

London to St Anton

I'm looking to get to St Anton on Saturday 20th February ... there are loads of different options from London ... so I ended up putting together a spreadsheet to work out the different total costs - including the various different baggage fees from different airlines, and the different rail costs from different airports.  Below are the cheapest flights I could find, ignoring the 7am departures !

I ended up booking this flight to Innsbruck - it has the shortest transfer time - so hopefully I will be able to go and pick up my skis and boots from the hire shop in St Anton on Saturday evening.  The trip from Innsbruck airport into town by bus is quite straightforward ... and with a direct train from the main station at 17:15, i could get a taxi into town if the connection was getting tight.

Dep LGW	13:25
Arr INN	16:25
Flight	76	gbp
Bag	18	gbp
Airport - HBf	2.7	eur
Inn HBf - StAaA	21	eur
Train time	1.5 hrs
Total	112	gbp

Whilst the option of going to Salzburg was a bit cheaper - the airport is a bit of a mosh pit at weekends during the winter, and i wouldn't get into St Anton until after the ski shops had closed.  And the amount Monarch charge for a bag in the hold is just crazy.

Dep LGW	14:15
Arr SZG	17:20
Flight	33	gbp
Bag	23.75	gbp
SZG - StAaA	53.6	eur
Train time	3 hrs
Total	99	gbp

The Friedrichshafen option was quite attractive - but it would mean an earlier start in the morning, and some of the train connections were a bit tight (although there were plenty more trains, it would just take a bit longer).

dep LGW	11:00
arr FDH	13:45
Flight	52	gbp
Bag	18	gbp
FDH - StAaA	31	eur
Train time	2.5 hrs	3 changes
Total	94	gbp

I've never flown to or from Memmingen airport ... but it just sounded like too much effort on this occasion (including a not overly frequent bus service from the airport to the train station) ... even though the fare is very good.

dep STN	11:45
arr FMM	14:30
Flight	33	gbp
Bag - guess	15	gbp
FMM - HBf	3	eur
Memm - StAaA	48	eur
Train time	4 hrs
Total	88	gbp

I really like Zurich airport, and the fact that mainline trains depart from underneath the airport - but the fare just wasn't competitive.

dep LHR	15:40
arr ZRH	20:05
Flight	86	gbp
Bag	20	gbp
ZRH - StAaA	54	eur
Train time	2.75 hrs
Total	148	gbp

I also looked at prices to Munich - but sadly the cheap Lufthansa flights arrived to late to make the last train to St Anton.

Flights to Geneva weren't particularly cheap, and the train costs around 120 euro each way - so the totals weren't competitive.

Dublin to Ischgl for a few days skiing

Ischgl isn't the easiest of places to get to from Dublin ... there aren't (m)any direct flights from Dublin to Innsbruck (the nearest) airport to Ischgl ... so the journey is a bit longer ...

The other complication is that Swiss (the airline) seem to have gone back to the dark ages with their pricing ... single flights are exorbitant ... so if there isn't a flight in one of the directions on one of the days that you want - you're screwed !

Aiming to fly out of Dublin on Tuesday 2nd February ...

Dep Dublin 16:15
Arr Zurich 19:25
price 79 eur plug baggage (EI)

Dep Zurich Flughafen 20:18
Arr Landeck Zams bahnhof 23:42
price approx 60 eur

Taxi to Ischgl
price ?

Another option is to fly to Innsbruck on a connecting flight ... with plenty of time to check in again in LGW

Dep Dublin 07:35
Arr LGW 09:10
price 23.40 eur plus baggage (FR)

Dep LGW 11:30
Arr INN 14:30
price 68 eur plug baggage (EZY)

Bus F from the Flughafen terminal to the Hauptbahnhof takes less than 20 mins and departs every 15 mins
price 2.7 eur

Dep Innsbruck Hbf	15:57	17:01
Arr Landeck-Zams	16:58	17:57
Dep Landeck-Zams	17:05	18:05
Arr Ischgl	17:58	18:58

Price 16.1 eur for the train (postbus not bookable online - fare approx 10 eur)

A further option is to fly to Salzburg - one advantage of this routing is sold as a connecting flight by BA (although DUB-LGW is operated by EI) - so if you miss the connection in LGW, it's up to BA to find you a new one !

Dep Dublin 07:00
Arr LGW 08:25
Dep LGW 10:05
Arr Salzburg 13:05
price 157 eur including baggage

Dep Salzburg Flughafen	14:25	15:25
Arr Salzburg Hbf	14:47	15:47
Dep Salzburg Hbf	15:00	15:56
Arr Landeck-Zams	17:39	18:30
Dep Landeck-Zams	18:05	19:05
Arr Ischgl	18:58	19:58

Price 53.6 eur


Accommodation

Ischgl has a reasonable amount of accommodation bookable through the town's website - with B&Bs in the town (rather than in Mathon which is 5km away) from about 55 eur per person per night sharing.  Ganahl is showing availability on the website - others may be available offline by email the tourist office.


Return flight

Need to get back into Dublin around lunchtime on Sunday 7th February ... so looking at options that give a full day skiing on Saturday 6th ...

None of the airports have late flights on Saturday to Dublin - so starting off looking at late flights to London (so could fly to Dublin on Sunday morning) ...

Innsbruck
The last (sensibly priced) flight out on Saturday evening departs at 17:15 - so that's not much good

Salzburg
There's a 19:45 flight on Saturday evening from to London for just 37 eur - but you'd have to leave Ischgl by 2pm in order to make it

Zurich
The 20:50 departure to LHR is 148 eur - that would mean leaving around 3pm

Munich
The last flight from to London on Saturday night is soon after 7pm - so that's not much use


Looking at travelling to direct to Dublin on Sunday morning - so spending Saturday night near the airport ...

Munich
dep Ischgl 17:58 (or 15:58) and arr Munich 22:21 (or 21:15) for 39 eur (no price showing for earlier timings)
dep Munich Sunday at 11:05 and arr Dublin 12:45 for 106 eur plus baggage (EI)
or Sunday evening departure at 20:10 (arr Dub 21:50) for 100 eur plus baggage (EI)

Zurich
EI direct flight departing at 8pm (arr Dub at 21:25) for 102 eur
or connecting BA flight departing at 7am (arr Dub at 12:20) for 150 eur

Innsbruck
No direct flights
connecting FR/EZY flights departing at 10:45 (arr Dub 15:35) for 150 eur with 2:35 in Luton to transfer / check in

Salzburg
No direct flights
connecting FR flights departing at 10:30 (arr Dub 15:05) for 99 eur with 2:05 in Stansted to transfer / check in


Looking at travelling to London on Sunday evening

Munich
8pm departure for 86 eur plus bag (EZY) or 9.15pm departure for 100 eur - but doesn't work with connections
to make the 8pm departure - would need to leave Ischgl around 2pm

Zurich
9.25pm departure for 171 eur plus bag (EZY)
departing Ischgl soon after 3pm would get you to the airport by 7.45pm

Innsbruck
sadly the last flight to london is at 5.40pm (for a crazy 473 eur) and the 3.10pm flight (for a still hefty 219 eur) isn't very helpful

Salzburg
the last flight to london is at 5.05pm for 157 eur with BA
departing Ischgl soon after 10am would get you to the airport for 2.30pm - trains only every 2 hours

prices to Longyearben - a further update

flights with Norwegian:

	Oslo - LYR
Mon 25th Jan	139.6
Wed 27th Jan	no flight
Fri 29th Jan	full
Mon 1st Feb	214.8
Wed 3rd Feb	96.6
Fri 5th Feb	96.6
Mon 8th Feb	150.3
Wed 10th Feb	64.4
Fri 12th Feb	204.1
Mon 15th Feb	150.3
Wed 17th Feb	64.4
Fri 19th Feb	419.0

	LYR-Oslo	LYR-LGW	Extra
Mon 25th Jan	311.5	441.6	130.1
Wed 27th Jan	no flight
Fri 29th Jan	53.6	151.5	97.9
Mon 1st Feb	128.8	194.4	65.6
Wed 3rd Feb	53.6	108.5	54.9
Fri 5th Feb	53.6	140.7	87.1
Mon 8th Feb	204.1	248.2	44.1
Wed 10th Feb	53.6	97.7	44.1
Fri 12th Feb	150.3	280.4	130.1
Mon 15th Feb	96.6	140.7	44.1
Wed 17th Feb	85.8	151.4	65.6
Fri 19th Feb	139.6	312.7	173.1

flights with SAS:

	Oslo - LYR
Mon 25th Jan	253.9
Tue 26th Jan	253.9
Thu 28th Jan
Sun 31st Jan	310.9
Mon 1st Feb	310.9
Wed 3rd Feb	119.9
Thu 4th Feb	310.9
Fri 5th Feb	243.9
Sun 7th Feb	201.9
Mon 8th Feb	253.9
Tue 9th Feb	160.9
Wed 10th Feb	103.8
Thu 11th Feb	253.9
Fri 12th Feb	253.9
Sun 14th Feb	201.9
Mon 15th Feb	253.9
Tue 16th Feb	253.9
Wed 17th Feb	103.8
Thu 18th Feb	253.9
Fri 19th Feb	253.9

	LYR-Oslo	LYR-LON	Extra
Mon 25th Jan	269.5	231.5	-38
Tue 26th Jan	290.6	542.2	251.6
Wed 27th Jan	no flight
Thu 28th Jan	156.6	479.2	322.6
Fri 29th Jan	155.5	n/a
Sun 31st Jan	238.6	386.2	147.6
Mon 1st Feb	155.5	210.2	54.7
Tue 2nd Feb	156.6	179.5	22.9
Wed 3rd Feb	155.5	386.2	230.7
Thu 4th Feb	218.6	386.2	167.6
Fri 5th Feb	135.5	210.1	74.6
Mon 8th Feb	347.6	438.2	90.6
Tue 9th Feb	156.6	386.2	229.6
Wed 10th Feb	155.5	386.2	230.7
Thu 11th Feb	176.6	303.2	126.6
Fri 12th Feb	135.5	188.1	52.6
Sun 14th Feb	156.6	231.2	74.6
Mon 15th Feb	155.5	210.2	54.7
Tue 16th Feb	156.6	210.2	53.6
Wed 17th Feb	119.4	303.2	183.8
Thu 18th Feb	137.4	303.2	165.8
Fri 19th Feb	135.5	210.1	74.6
Sun 21st Feb	238.6	479.2	240.6

flights from London (any airport) to Oslo (any airport) at any time ... and Oslo Gardemoen to London (any airport) in the airport (not very scientific - so some may be too early to connect with flight from LYR):

	Lon-Osl	OSL-Lon
Mon 25th Jan	44	130
Tues 26th Jan	44	130
Wed 27th Jan	32	76
Thu 28th Jan	14	102
Fri 29th Jan	37	76
Sat 30th Jan	37	130
Sun 31st Jan	61	72
Mon 1st Feb	14	52
Tue 2nd Feb	14	52
Wed 3rd Feb	14	33
Thu 4th Feb	14	52
Fri 5th Feb	20	33
Sat 6th Feb	14	56
Sun 7th Feb	22	31
Mon 8th Feb	14	31
Tue 9th Feb	14	31
Wed 10th Feb	14	31
Thu 11th Feb	29	33
Fri 12th Feb	55	56
Sat 13th Feb	66	76
Sun 14th Feb	66	31

Option A
Tue 2nd Feb - London - Oslo - 14 eur
Wed 3rd Feb - Oslo - LYR - 96.6 eur
Fri 5th Feb - LYR - Oslo - 53.6 eur
Fri 5th Feb - Oslo - London - 41 eur
Total Flights - 205.2 eur

Option B
Thu 4th Feb - London - Oslo - 14 eur
Fri 5th Feb - Oslo - LYR - 96.6 eur
Mon 8th Feb - LYR - OSL - LGW - 248.2 eur
Total Flights - 358.8

Option C
Sun 7th Feb - London - Oslo - 22 eur
Mon 8th Feb - Oslo - LYR - 150.3 eur
Wed 10th Feb - LYR - OSL - LGW - 97.7 eur
Total Flights - 270 eur

Option D
Tue 9th Feb - London - Oslo - 14 eur
Wed 10th Feb - Oslo - LYR - 64.4 eur
Fri 12th Feb - LYR - Oslo - 150.3 eur
Fri 12th Feb - Oslo - London - 56 eur
Total Flights - 284.7 eur